Rhaegar: was Jon’s father the true hero of Game of Thrones?


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    Who was Jon Snow’s father, Rhaegar Targaryen? What were his political plans for his father, Mad King Aerys? What were his beliefs about the prophecy of Azor Ahai and the three heads of the dragon?
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im kawaii and you know it
im kawaii and you know it

Maibe is just love

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Indira Narayan
Indira Narayan

+riman kid, hand the phone back to your mama and lay off the stupidity. This is the game of thrones, not a fairy tale.

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10521577A
10521577A

Why did this illiterate get so many likes?

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Mr Hole
Mr Hole

15..giggity giggity goo

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Ryan Aaron Delos Santos
Ryan Aaron Delos Santos

Thanks! You did a solid research on this and made a relatively good analysis!

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Isqandar Zulqarnain
Isqandar Zulqarnain

He plunged his "sword"

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Devil_potato gaming
Devil_potato gaming

So rhaegar ain't the faceless man(jaqen hgar) ? Fuck me

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Ishmeet UK
Ishmeet UK

Then why don't jon have silver hair?

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rockmom h
rockmom h

This is a great video, thanks for explaining it all. Now I can keep up lol

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El-chino_1_
El-chino_1_

what a garbage trailer.. you can clearly see it's khaleesi who sits on the "ice" dragon. too bad it wasnt a real trailer then it would be really good

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Alexey Baal
Alexey Baal

I hope at the end of show, all survivors will take off their faces and all of them are Jaquen .. and screen goes black muhahaha

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Nirvadh Leckram
Nirvadh Leckram

John will put his sword through Daenerys heart and lightbringer will be forged and that's how he will kill the night king

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Roshni Ali
Roshni Ali

Love the humour. Cold and Crisp.

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mmfhasj1
mmfhasj1

I love this! Thank you! What are your thoughts on the purpose of Dany and Jon (Aegon)’s baby? Please tell me they aren’t making babies for nothing.

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Joessepi Rangel
Joessepi Rangel

This story ends in incest

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Gina Marie Miele
Gina Marie Miele

I hope Jame kills Cersei in a visciously satisfying way

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Amber Waddell
Amber Waddell

Gina Marie Miele I hope Arya is able to kill Cersei...her name has been on Arya’s lips for so long.

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nikolai j
nikolai j

Mind blown good stuff!!!!

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Pavit Sharma
Pavit Sharma

rhaegar isnt dead......he is jaqen h ghar

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WhiifeyX3
WhiifeyX3

He isn’t Jaqen though.

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mmfhasj1
mmfhasj1

Pavit Sharma this is actually a super interesting thought

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Gabrielle Auclair
Gabrielle Auclair

But could Jon Snow be the Azor Ahai (instead of Raegar) and his future baby with Daenerys (Ice and Fire) be the sword?

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Funboy
Funboy

But Bran Stark said Rhaegar and Lyanna were in love!!!

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Funboy
Funboy

I'm watching this proudly wearing my new Game of Thrones t-shirt with the sigil of House Stark and House Targaryen. 😁👑

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Alle Aruta
Alle Aruta

wow. i got chills

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Sebastian Cabrera
Sebastian Cabrera

Just awesome !! Thx

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misha laika
misha laika

Nice video.. but telling the story of Leanna and rheagar without even mentioning the clear and obvious influence of Homer’s the Iliad, is unfortunate. It makes game of thrones all the more a classic. The similarities with Helen of Troy, deserve at least a mention.

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Mike Hunt
Mike Hunt

Cersei is a dragon

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Roger Martinez
Roger Martinez

In the book Rhaegars son wasn’t bashed against the wall he was taken away and now has an army as well

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John Robert
John Robert

"he plunged his 'sword' in her conceiving Jon and she dies in childbirth." 😂 Idk why that was funny to me

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SM GC
SM GC

if Jon is lightbringer then who is azor ahai ?

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PARTH SHARMA
PARTH SHARMA

These people lacked communication skills. Why not just let Lyanna friendzone Robert ???

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Philo Anthropos
Philo Anthropos

So, Daenerys is Jon Snow's aunty?

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Rahul thukaram
Rahul thukaram

the hero is actually the faceless girl...ARYA STARK

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Can Inci
Can Inci

wtf is this comment kys

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Robert Esposito
Robert Esposito

Thanks for this cause I was definitely confused and thought John was boning his sister not Aunt in the end of 7 LMAO 🤣

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Sugar Ray Kapo
Sugar Ray Kapo

Rhaegar was a asshole n I would love to see him die at roberts hand

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Leo Nidas
Leo Nidas

Rhaegar is an absolute legend.... go John make ya papa proud !

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69adrummer
69adrummer

wait the dude that got the golden crown poured on his head is the father of a dude that's older than him damn near!?! what the F?

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mac94102
mac94102

You're a fucking jerk for posting spoilers in the title

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siam sarker
siam sarker

So Basically Jhon fucked his Aunt Daenerys

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Mason Campbell
Mason Campbell

Butttt in the books Aegon is alive and in disguise. He lets himself be know and brings the golden company across the narrow sea to dragon stone... the show is a bit off. And not to mention Lady Stoneheart still hasn’t made an appearance

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pplrjustppl
pplrjustppl

Likely a fake. Blackfyre pretending to be Aegon

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Kelly Lingro
Kelly Lingro

13:56 hits pretty hard good job

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Megan
Megan

Does anyone else wonder about little Aegon from the books? I can't recall his alias, but the boy they claim is Argon that's been kept safe is Essos all these years. In the boat with Tyrion. I really can't wait to see where GRRM goes with that story line. Maybe he's the third head of the dragon? For me, the show is way too simplistic and they screwed themselves by cutting out massive chunks of the story. Not only did the make the bare minimum season, but 10, than 7, now 6 EPISODES?!? This is all too rushed and it's going to be awful. Yeah, I'll watch it, but damn, I can't wait to see how the real story unfolds. Do with think little Aegon is fake? If so, why soend all those years hiding him and investing so much time and money? Seems like a long shot for a very elaborate hoax. And if it really is Aegon, we have a three way split for the crown, just with the Dragon bloods alone. And in the books, Dani's dragons are crazy pissed at her, except maaayyybe Drogon. She has a lot of shit to fix, and she's nearly dead when the horde shows up.

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Barnita Sarkar
Barnita Sarkar

Rhaegar was idiot

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Barnita Sarkar
Barnita Sarkar

U don't know how to pronounce Lyanna

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RLGaming 21
RLGaming 21

Wait so doesn’t that mean John was some what fucking family when him and daneras smashed

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Alt Shift X
Alt Shift X

Yup, had sex with his aunt

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Alyssa Sears
Alyssa Sears

I’m so dead at the “or was he thinking with his dick” comment 😂

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Doreen Astra Dembeck
Doreen Astra Dembeck

Games of Bongs!!

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Coach Pritch
Coach Pritch

Great video!! But what about the older Aegon, or “Young Grif”, in the book??

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Blackfalk
Blackfalk

lol "true hero"? he deserted his wife not very heroic (true heroes have honour)

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Bigg T08
Bigg T08

Makes some sense, maybe not entirely. One part that fits...Rhaegar was said to be a very skilled warrior. Now Robert Baratheon proved to be a great fighter too, but 1 on 1 could he really beat Rhaegar? Or did Rhaegar throw the fight on purpose to fulfill this part of the prophecy?

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wing tsang
wing tsang

That's deep analysis....

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Imir Tournevis
Imir Tournevis

What about Rhaenys in the three swords theory? Like, OK Rhaegar died in water, his son Aegon slained by the Lannisters, so Jon is the good one? But why is Rhaenys put aside of this theory? Is this because she's a girl? I don't think so cause Miss Sandei says that the profecy tells that it could be a prince or a princess because the valyrian word for that is neutral. So, what do we do with Rhaenys?

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Maryam Salome
Maryam Salome

Seems Jon loves his aunt or what 😫

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Jennifer And bama
Jennifer And bama

I have an interesting question what would have happened if rhaegar had lived and lyanna had lived but Robert died in the rebellion

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Louis Cv
Louis Cv

I think Daenerys wil die in season 8 or something really bad will happen around her, i have a good reason lmao

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unsignedredefined
unsignedredefined

This is the perfect analogy of religion.

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Tinish Maheshwari
Tinish Maheshwari

A great unrealised theory.

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Aaron Rehberg
Aaron Rehberg

Danaerys could also be Azor Ahai with her dragons being the swords tempered. The first died in the water North of the wall. She's currently at war with house Lannister whose House Crest is a Lion, so the second dragon could die at battle with the Lannisters. She just took up a lover in Jon Snow and maybe the final dragon will draw more power after killing him or taking inspiration from his death or something of the sort.

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Muse Ingenue
Muse Ingenue

*mindblown* AGAIN.

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amir alandalus
amir alandalus

Looks like Rhaegar was Muslim because he was married to two woman in same time😁😁😀😀 Welcome Brother Rhaegar!

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Connor-Rage
Connor-Rage

Jon Targaryen: "I am the hope of the universe. I am the answer to all living things that cry-out for piece. I am protector of the innocent. I am the sword in the darkness...I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn! I am truth! ALLY TO GOOD! NIGHTMARE TO YOU! Loyal servant to the true Queen of the Seven Kingdoms - Daenerys Targaryen. Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, Lord of Winterfell, and The King in the North. Husband to a murdered wife, son to a murdered father, and I will have my vengeance! In this life, or the next. I am Jon Targaryen...and I...AM AZOR AHAI!!!!!!"

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Maricel Bebit
Maricel Bebit

Whatever is it,,,I still like love tandem of jon snow and the mother of dragon,,

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Lily Bishop
Lily Bishop

Hot Pie is Azor Ahai. Change my mind.

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Ovirgule
Ovirgule

well the mad king wasn'T mad...he had a time loop disfonction because he saw the future night walker issue in the future...as for hoodor...

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Amy N
Amy N

The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

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Stephanie Watkins
Stephanie Watkins

Why did Raegare stab Lyanna in the heart?

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Anita Tallavajhala
Anita Tallavajhala

No not in the heart I'm afraid....But he did stabbed her somewhere else conceiving Jon 😂😅 Thus making Jon Snow the Light bringer !! Rhaegar's Weapon to defeat the Night King!

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Caitlyn of D'Arcy
Caitlyn of D'Arcy

Honestly: If the Starks are the York and the Lannisters the Lancaster, who will be Henry Tudor?

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Tara Z
Tara Z

He is the reason his wife Elia and her poor children, yes I said her children because she stuck around to try and protect them while Rhaegar fucked off and left his family to suffer the most violent, brutal deaths. He was a gutless and weak coward, essentially just scum.

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CAT DURGS
CAT DURGS

inb4 comet comes back n falls on planetos, killin everyone

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Johnghost B.
Johnghost B.

What are the chances of Game of Thrones is going to make a new show where you see it leading up to the rebellion

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Ivan Spajic
Ivan Spajic

Dunno, he could have given a heads up to everyone about eloping and maybe all of them wouldn't have died, leaving his son an orphan...

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DodgerFinn BoltBalto
DodgerFinn BoltBalto

3:33 READ: * or not* Maybe the 'Mad King' wasn't so mad... you see: When you see for the first time Aerys, it's in a vision of Brandon and he sees at the same time the white walkers, so MAYBE Aerys had like a 'weird tick' in his head and only said ''BURN THEM ALL'' 'cause onlt fire would totaly destroy a white walker!!!

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Naþan Ø
Naþan Ø

Hey you! Putting spoilers in the title! Go fuck yourself.

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Titouan B
Titouan B

"The montain is actually Podrick on hotpie's shoulders" Laughed so hard..

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Cidi Huia
Cidi Huia

he abandoned his wife, i get it, he didn't love her.. but he also abandoned his children, so fuck him. btw you're really fucking lazy.. is it that hard to pronounce peoples name properly?

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Alien SexGod
Alien SexGod

WTF? Yeah Winter is Coming Snow is a Targaryen but Rhaegar's son which makes Daenerys his Auntie? Please surely it's Rhaegar & Daenerys's father ... they share a father?

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CMPINK
CMPINK

Maybe Bran told Rhaegar what all needed to happen so Jon would be born and save the world.

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Arianna In the Sky
Arianna In the Sky

what about Aegon, Rhaegar's son, being alive in the books? it destroys part of the theory...

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lyannagamelover
lyannagamelover

dude, you ever heard of spoilers?

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tkeeg
tkeeg

Outstanding theory & commentary! It really helped to put things into perspective & to gain a better understanding of the story. Thanks for taking the time to post such a detailed analysis!

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Jon Snow
Jon Snow

I miss my father - both of them.

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Peter Gruber
Peter Gruber

Well, a sword needs someone to wield it. The prophecy sais that Azor Ahai fought the Others with his sword, lightbringer. I think if jon is literally lightbringer, then Rhaegar should come back to fight at his side like Azor Ahai and Lightbringer

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Somil Mishra
Somil Mishra

Rhaeghar's dick is lightbronger confirmed

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YouveGottaBeKittenMe
YouveGottaBeKittenMe

Aegon isn't dead. The three-headed dragon is Daenerys, Aegon and Jon Snow.

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Nikøla 15243
Nikøla 15243

Wait so John is hooking up with his aunt? And shouldn’t Daenerys be much older than John Snow? I’m confused lol

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Seiron1887
Seiron1887

Rhaegar is the current Azor Ahai. What people dont know that he sacrificed everything to end the Night King. Robert's Rebellion was a flashbacks of the ancient past. About the 1st Night's King who fell in love with a WW beyond the wall. Rhaegar not did he only told Lyanna to name his son Aegon. But he also told Ned/Benjen to name him Jon Snow and to join the Night's Watch. If you really pay attention to what I say then trust me. Ned & Benjen already knew about the white walkers but they kept denying the truth. Many people let's say most believe that Ned Stark is dead.. He is not dead I can even proof it why he is still alive I will explain it. Contact me on discord: Seiron #4152 Ned, Benjen, Rhaegar & Lyanna are playing a game of dead since beginning. All of them are still alive they faked their death. Previous Azor Ahai = Aegon the Conqueror. Current Azor Ahai = Rhaegar Targaryen. Next Azor Ahai = Jon (Aegon Targaryen). *The Dragon has Three-Heads. It means "Dragon" as the Blood of Old Valyria.* In this case it's Targaryens and Jon is the Dragon leader. *Jon, Dany & Tyrion are the Three-Heads of the Dragons.* *Aerys + Joanna = Tyrion Targaryen.* If Tyrion was not an Targaryen the Dragons would have eating him alive. The Dragons can smell the people with the Blood of Old Valyria. Tywin said: "You are no son of mine". This means Tyrion is actually Aerys Targaryen's son. Ofcourse the show didnt really let us see Tywin explains what he meant. So Tyrion shot his Tywin without knowing the truth that he's a secret bastard. Rhaegar Targaryen & Lyanna Stark did Robert's Rebellion not to built a lie. But to make the people believe it and this is how they make the prophecies come true. Because of Rhaegar Dany & Viserys had to hid themselves from Robert. So Dany would join the Dothraki and marry Drogo. Because of Lyanna Jon never knew his real name and was giving another name Jon Snow. Because of Rhaegar & Lyanna who were back then the Prince/Princess that was promised to bring the Dawn. The prophecy of Rhaegar & Lyanna has been passed to Jon & Dany. *Azor = the male, the Prince.* *Ahai = the female, the Princess.* Like Missandei said: the proper translation in high valyrian would be. *The Prince or the Princess that was promised to bring the Dawn.* Now remember before the show started Jon & Dany were seperate. Plus Rhaegar Targaryen & Lyanna Stark are dead but never found bodies. Because they aren't dead since the statue of Lyanna doesn't even look like her. Same with Ned he knows the white walkers are real but doesnt tell the truth. He knows Littlefinger cant be trusted and still trust him. Why? Because that's their whole plan. Because they are being watched by other greenseer. Melisandre later reunited Jon & Dany as the ICE & FIRE prophecy. Nobody knows this but it was actually the Lord of Light. Who guided her and sended her to Dragonstone. So she could tell Dany to form allegiance with Jon the King in the North. I have to tell you guys that our Lord of Light is Jon's real father. *The Lord of Light = Rhaegar Targaryen.* *He is known as the Lord of FIRE = Targaryen.* *The Night King is actually the Lord of Darkness.* *He is also known as the Lord of ICE = Stark.* Now since Rhaegar died who was reborn again alive and became Lord of Light. Think back at Tower of Joy who would he help to save.. Lyanna Stark was suppose to die as childbirth. She did die but was also reborn alive again. *Rhaegar & Lyanna hid their identities and they became "No One".* *Rhaegar, Lyanna, Benjen, Ned they are the game changer.* *These are the most important characters that will change the plot!*

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Sevara Ortikova
Sevara Ortikova

If you cannot even pronounce Lyanna’s properly what’s a point of making a video about her. 😖

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Jasmine Valiente
Jasmine Valiente

Hero definitely not heir that unfortunately lost his fucking marbles seemingly yes

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Lee-Anne K
Lee-Anne K

yes he was

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TheAnthraxBiology
TheAnthraxBiology

Does anybody else see these videos and think about how much of a genius George RR Martin is? Because I mean...WOW.

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Антон Иванав
Антон Иванав

In the books Rhaegar and Ellia’s son is alive and I suspect the daughter is alive as well

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Jaqen H'ghar
Jaqen H'ghar

A man is confused AF

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Curtis Jones
Curtis Jones

Really really makes an argument for Jon almost to the point where it's obvious.

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Terell Chapman
Terell Chapman

10:48 is this in the tv show?

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John
John

Well done. Maybe 100 years from now, people will find these books in the ashes of our civilizations, and start a new religion based on them.

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Notintheknow
Notintheknow

+Suck sucky Everything is copacetic

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Suck sucky
Suck sucky

+Notintheknow Oh right i got r/wooshed

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Notintheknow
Notintheknow

+Suck sucky I know, but his name is John. It didn't make sense to write Jon when it was spelt John.

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Suck sucky
Suck sucky

+Notintheknow Jon*

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Colton Strike
Colton Strike

I could honestly see it being mistaken for ancient historical writings. The world map is obviously wrong for earth, but many maps are similar due to poor understanding, and many things in the show are already basically myths taken and twisted from elsewhere. Also, the way it reads often feels like a written account of things that actually happened.

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Luke Slywalker
Luke Slywalker

My crazy theory: Daenerys and Jon become lovers in the series and I hope they do so in the books as well. The war against the undead turns badly for the humans and Danny realizes that the only way to save the world was for Azhor Ahai to be reborn along with Lightbringer to slay the Nightking. She somehow convinces Jon to stab her in the heart with Longclaw which turns Longclaw into Lightbringer and Jon into Azhor Ahai. Jon wargs one of the dragons to get him close to the Night king and he kills the Night king which causes all the undead to disintegrate and the war is won. I'm not sure if it's in the books, but somewhere in the TV series we see wights die when the White Walker who created them is killed. The Night King created the White walkers so they die which causes all their and the Night King's wights to die as well. GRR said the ending will be bittersweet so either Jon kills Danny or she kills him which turns the victor into Azhor Ahai.

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Jack Rhodes
Jack Rhodes

Excellent job if putting everything together. i would say though that the nature of prophecy and fate does not necessary submit itself to reason or conventional justification. in fact one concept of the fate suggests that fate sets it so it happens regardless of what one does it still happens. That being the case and Rhaegar was a fatalist in this sense doing anything other than what is did would be irrational, since things would always still turn out the way it did.

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Alex Chen
Alex Chen

So long story short.....Jon screwed his aunt

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Anne Grey
Anne Grey

I never thought about it, but it is interesting that 3 key women are basically reduced to producing babies then dying (either in child-birth or by violence) given that in the books we see how big of an impact women have in this world behind the scenes. Perhaps the fact that these women seem to have been reduced to their role being "having kids" is a commentary on just how "behind the scenes" their control is...its so "behind the scenes" no one knows it happened in the following generation, which means for all we know it was actually Lyanna who was like "if we don't bang the world would end p.s. you may know how to play harp but when's the last time you've been with a girl who really knows how to use a sword?"

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Ieuan Hunt
Ieuan Hunt

Only George RR Martin would kill the hero of the story before it even started. I get the sense that he looked at the Mistborn series and said "Mr Sanderson hold my beer"

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Rose Foxwell-morgan
Rose Foxwell-morgan

I wonder if raegar was also mentally unstable. A man obsessed. His father and siblings weren't exactly of sound mind,

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Willard Rafnsson
Willard Rafnsson

Thanks for the spoiler. Twat.

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Nikola Jevtic
Nikola Jevtic

So Rhaegar read the books...

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Chase Loader
Chase Loader

This is very informative and insightful. Thank you.

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Tyler Hill
Tyler Hill

Is no one going to mention that Aegon is still alive in the books and has been protected and hidden by John Connington?

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Artos Ap Nab
Artos Ap Nab

2:05..wait....wait wait wait..that kissing scene...IS IDENTICAL to kissing scene between anakin skywalker and padme....episeode 2...ehy!wait!wait wait what the...?

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